{"id":3808,"date":"2021-06-30T20:09:14","date_gmt":"2021-06-30T18:09:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/?p=3808"},"modified":"2021-07-15T17:26:14","modified_gmt":"2021-07-15T15:26:14","slug":"les-mecomptes-de-ginette-solidarite-episode-1-la-newsletter-de-2017","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/index.php\/2021\/06\/30\/les-mecomptes-de-ginette-solidarite-episode-1-la-newsletter-de-2017\/","title":{"rendered":"Les m\u00e9comptes de Ginette Solidarit\u00e9, \u00e9pisode 1 : la newsletter de 2017"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\" align=\"justify\"><em>Comment la Direction de Ginette annonce en 2017 \u00e0 ses donateurs des chiffres tous faux sur le bilan des internes de la r\u00e9ussite<\/em><\/h2>\n<p align=\"justify\">Nous sommes \u00e0 l\u2019automne 2017, et Manuela Rousselot vient d\u2019\u00eatre institu\u00e9e directrice de Ginette. Dans la newsletter envoy\u00e9e aux donateurs de Ginette Solidarit\u00e9, que je reproduis ci-apr\u00e8s, sont livr\u00e9s un grand nombre de chiffres sur le dispositif. Probl\u00e8me,d\u2019apr\u00e8s les chiffres de l\u2019AESG, tous ces chiffres sont faux, et largement pour la plupart d\u2019entre eux.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Commen\u00e7ons par l\u2019\u00e9ditorial de M. Rousselot, reproduit ci-apr\u00e8s (le surlignage est de nous).<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-3809 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Newsletter-Ginette-Automne-2017-2-124x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"339\" height=\"820\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Newsletter-Ginette-Automne-2017-2-124x300.jpg 124w, https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Newsletter-Ginette-Automne-2017-2-423x1024.jpg 423w, https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Newsletter-Ginette-Automne-2017-2-635x1536.jpg 635w, https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Newsletter-Ginette-Automne-2017-2-847x2048.jpg 847w, https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Newsletter-Ginette-Automne-2017-2-scaled.jpg 1059w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 339px) 100vw, 339px\" \/><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">R\u00e9sumons :<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p align=\"justify\">30 \u00e9l\u00e8ves en premi\u00e8re ann\u00e9e ;<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p align=\"justify\">80 int\u00e9gr\u00e9s ;<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p align=\"justify\">3 sorties \u201csans r\u00e9sultat\u201d ;<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p align=\"justify\">13 int\u00e9grations en 5\/2 ;<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<p align=\"justify\">149 \u00e9l\u00e8ves suivis au total.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p align=\"justify\">M. Rousselot pr\u00e9cise bien que les comptes commencent en 2012, et comme on le verra plus tard il ne peut en \u00eatre autrement.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">D\u2019abord, il y avait 31 internes de la r\u00e9ussite en premi\u00e8re ann\u00e9e, et non 30 (source : le rapport moral 2017-2018 de l\u2019AESG).<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Ensuite, d\u2019apr\u00e8s les chiffres internes \u00e0 Ginette, il est tout \u00e0 fait impossible que seuls 83 internes de la r\u00e9ussite (ou d\u2019excellence) aient quitt\u00e9 Ginette avant septembre 2017. D\u2019apr\u00e8s les chiffres internes \u00e0 l\u2019AESG, c\u2019est 88 IR (plus ou moins 2, \u00e0 cause d\u2019une sous-estimation \u00e9ventuelle de redoublants apr\u00e8s les concours 2017) qui l\u2019avaient quitt\u00e9 \u00e0 cette date.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Les sorties \u201csans r\u00e9sultat\u201d \u00e9taient bien plus nombreuses que 3. Devant deux professeurs, Manuela Rousselot a reconnu pas moins de <b>7 <\/b><b>sorties de Ginette<\/b><b> en cours ou fin de premi\u00e8re ann\u00e9e, sur toute la p\u00e9riode 2012-2017<\/b>, et \u00e0 cela il faut ajouter les d\u00e9parts en 5\/2 \u00e0 l\u2019ext\u00e9rieur ou les d\u00e9parts \u00e0 l\u2019universit\u00e9. Dans ces derni\u00e8res cat\u00e9gories, deux \u00e9l\u00e8ves sont r\u00e9pertori\u00e9s dans la m\u00eame newletter o\u00f9 Madame Rousselot \u00e9crit, quelques lignes plus bas. <b>Le nombre de sortie \u201csans r\u00e9sultat\u201d est donc minor\u00e9 d\u2019un facteur 3 au moins.<\/b><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Le nombre d\u2019int\u00e9grations en 5\/2 est, par ailleurs faux. D\u2019apr\u00e8s les chiffres internes \u00e0 l\u2019AESG, environ 9 internes de la r\u00e9ussite redoublants avaient \u00e9t\u00e9 r\u00e9pertori\u00e9s jusqu\u2019\u00e0 2017 inclus, il est impossible qu\u2019il y ait eu13 int\u00e9grations avec ce statut. Il est probable que Manuela Rousselot ait confondu le nombre de redoublants ayant int\u00e9gr\u00e9 depuis Ginette avec le nombre de redoublants tout court (jusqu\u2019\u00e0 la date de son \u00e9ditorial).<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Le nombre de 149 internes de la r\u00e9ussite est sensiblement inf\u00e9rieur \u00e0 la r\u00e9alit\u00e9. D\u2019apr\u00e8s les chiffres internes \u00e0 Ginette (simple addition des entr\u00e9es, en tenant compte d\u2019un r\u00e9orient\u00e9 interne), ils \u00e9taient en r\u00e9alit\u00e9 154 !<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Enfin, la diff\u00e9rence entre le nombre total d\u2019internes de la r\u00e9ussite et le nombre d\u2019internes de la r\u00e9ussite \u00e9tant sortis de Ginette devrait nous donner le nombre d\u2019internes de la r\u00e9ussite pr\u00e9sents \u00e0 Ginette lors de l\u2019ann\u00e9e scolaire 2017-2018 : ils devraient donc \u00eatre 66 \u00e9l\u00e8ves. Or, d\u2019apr\u00e8s les chiffres internes \u00e0 l\u2019AESG, ils auraient \u00e9t\u00e9 seulement 59 (31 en premi\u00e8re ann\u00e9e, 28 en deuxi\u00e8me ann\u00e9e mais pour des raisons trop longues \u00e0 d\u00e9velopper nous pensons que ce dernier chiffre est l\u00e9g\u00e8rement sous-estim\u00e9, de 2 ou 3 unit\u00e9s).<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Tous les chiffres annonc\u00e9s par la directrice de Ginette sont donc incorrects. En outre, le nombre de 149 IR suivis confirme un point de d\u00e9part des calculs en 2012 et non en 2013 : en effet, d\u2019apr\u00e8s les chiffres de l\u2019AESG seuls 141 IR ont \u00e9t\u00e9 suivis depuis 2013.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><b>Le myst\u00e8re des IR disparus aux concours 2017<\/b><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Passons maintenant au tableau des int\u00e9grations 2017, le premier publi\u00e9 \u00e0 ce jour (seuls les tableaux 2017, 2018 et 2020 ont \u00e9t\u00e9 publi\u00e9s, aucune communication ne fait \u00e9tat des r\u00e9sultats de l\u2019ann\u00e9e 2019).<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_3774\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-3774\" style=\"width: 414px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-3774 \" src=\"https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Integration2017.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"414\" height=\"323\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Integration2017.jpg 2232w, https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Integration2017-300x234.jpg 300w, https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Integration2017-1024x798.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Integration2017-1536x1197.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/Integration2017-87x67.jpg 87w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 414px) 100vw, 414px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-3774\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Un tableau d&rsquo;int\u00e9grations 2017 &#8230; tr\u00e8s incomplet<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p align=\"justify\">D\u2019apr\u00e8s les donn\u00e9es internes \u00e0 Ginette, <b>6<\/b> internes de la r\u00e9ussite avaient redoubl\u00e9 sur site apr\u00e8s les concours 2016. En y rajoutant les <b>32<\/b> \u00e9l\u00e8ves admis en premi\u00e8re ann\u00e9e en 2017, il y avait donc <b>38<\/b> internes de la r\u00e9ussite susceptibles de passer les concours en 2017 (ou ayant quitt\u00e9 l\u2019\u00e9tablissement avant de les passer). Or, la publication parle de seulement 28 internes de la r\u00e9ussite ayant pass\u00e9 les concours. O\u00f9 sont pass\u00e9s les 10 autres ? Ils n\u2019ont certainement pas tous quitt\u00e9 Ginette avant de passer les concours : d\u2019apr\u00e8s des estimations internes, seuls deux ou trois ont \u00e9t\u00e9 dans ce cas. Ils n\u2019ont pas non plus quitt\u00e9 Ginette sans int\u00e9grer puisque la publication fait mention d\u2019un d\u00e9part \u00e0 la fac et d\u2019un redoublement \u00e0 l\u2019ext\u00e9rieur.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">En mars dernier, un professeur a signal\u00e9 \u00e0 Ginette Alumni les oublis \u00e9tonnants de ce tableau. Il n\u2019a re\u00e7u aucune r\u00e9ponse. Seulement deux mois plus tard, le comit\u00e9 des anciens a \u00e9t\u00e9 inform\u00e9 que les int\u00e9grations de 2017 avait \u00e9t\u00e9 reconstitu\u00e9es, et son pr\u00e9sident a plastronn\u00e9 qu\u2019il y avait 2 polytechniciens de plus qu\u2019annonc\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><a href=\"https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/index.php\/2021\/06\/30\/les-mecomptes-de-ginette-solidarite-episode-2-decembre-2018\/\">Passer \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00e9pisode 2<\/a><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Comment la Direction de Ginette annonce en 2017 \u00e0 ses donateurs des chiffres tous faux sur le bilan des internes de la r\u00e9ussite Nous sommes \u00e0 l\u2019automne 2017, et Manuela Rousselot vient d\u2019\u00eatre institu\u00e9e directrice de Ginette. Dans la newsletter envoy\u00e9e aux donateurs de Ginette Solidarit\u00e9, que je reproduis ci-apr\u00e8s, sont livr\u00e9s un grand nombre<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":3891,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"amp_status":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[119,84,129],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-3808","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-fondation-ginette","8":"category-internes-de-la-reussite","9":"category-lycee"},"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.6 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Les m\u00e9comptes de Ginette Solidarit\u00e9, \u00e9pisode 1 : la newsletter de 2017 - BJ-Investigations<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/index.php\/2021\/06\/30\/les-mecomptes-de-ginette-solidarite-episode-1-la-newsletter-de-2017\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"fr_FR\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Les m\u00e9comptes de Ginette Solidarit\u00e9, \u00e9pisode 1 : la newsletter de 2017 - BJ-Investigations\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Comment la Direction de Ginette annonce en 2017 \u00e0 ses donateurs des chiffres tous faux sur le bilan des internes de la r\u00e9ussite Nous sommes \u00e0 l\u2019automne 2017, et Manuela Rousselot vient d\u2019\u00eatre institu\u00e9e directrice de Ginette. 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