{"id":3779,"date":"2021-06-30T20:05:24","date_gmt":"2021-06-30T18:05:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/?p=3779"},"modified":"2021-07-15T17:14:34","modified_gmt":"2021-07-15T15:14:34","slug":"resultats-scolaires-des-internes-de-la-reussite-episode-2-une-methodologie-rigoureuse","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/index.php\/2021\/06\/30\/resultats-scolaires-des-internes-de-la-reussite-episode-2-une-methodologie-rigoureuse\/","title":{"rendered":"R\u00e9sultats scolaires des internes de la r\u00e9ussite, \u00e9pisode 2 : une m\u00e9thodologie rigoureuse"},"content":{"rendered":"

O\u00f9 comment contr\u00f4ler efficacement la r\u00e9ussite relative des Internes de la R\u00e9ussite par rapport au reste des \u00e9l\u00e8ves<\/em><\/h2>\n

Il s\u2019agit de comparer les r\u00e9sultats des IR \u00e0 ceux des autres \u00e9l\u00e8ves de Ginette. Pour cela, le comptage et l\u2019identit\u00e9 des \u00e9coles int\u00e9gr\u00e9es n\u2019est pas un bon guide : en effet, l\u2019\u00e9cole int\u00e9gr\u00e9e est le r\u00e9sultat d\u2019un choix, et la hi\u00e9rarchie des \u00e9coles pour un \u00e9l\u00e8ve n\u2019est pas celle pour un autre (par exemple, en fili\u00e8re Agro il est plus difficile d\u2019int\u00e9grer une \u00e9cole v\u00e9t\u00e9rinaire que l\u2019Agro Paris, mais beaucoup de tr\u00e8s bons \u00e9l\u00e8ves qui sont pris dans une \u00e9cole v\u00e9t\u00e9rinaire choisissent tout de m\u00eame de rentrer \u00e0 l\u2019Agro Paris). Par ailleurs, en fili\u00e8re scientifique la fusion r\u00e9cente de l\u2019\u00c9<\/span>cole Centrale Paris et des Supelec a totalement boulevers\u00e9 la hi\u00e9rarchie et la signification de la performance repr\u00e9sent\u00e9e par une int\u00e9gration \u00e0 certaines \u00e9coles du groupe Mines-Ponts (par exemple, le rang du dernier int\u00e9gr\u00e9 \u00e0 l\u2019Ecole des Ponts et Chauss\u00e9es a d\u00e9gringol\u00e9, passant en MP d\u2019environ la 400e place \u00e0 environ la 700e place).<\/span><\/p>\n

Bref, une analyse fond\u00e9e sur les \u00e9coles int\u00e9gr\u00e9es, m\u00eame fili\u00e8re par fili\u00e8re, ne peut conduire qu\u2019\u00e0 des calculs grossiers et tr\u00e8s fortement contestables.<\/span><\/p>\n

Nous avons donc choisi une approche beaucoup plus fine : il s\u2019agit de situer chaque \u00e9l\u00e8ve, IR ou non, au sein de sa promotion, dans un classement relatif. Deux solutions s\u2019offrent \u00e0 nous :<\/span><\/p>\n

    \n
  1. \n

    Utiliser le classement du Khass.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n

  2. \n

    Utiliser le classement d\u2019un concours de r\u00e9f\u00e9rence pass\u00e9 par tous les \u00e9l\u00e8ves.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    La deuxi\u00e8me option semble meilleure, partant du principe que certains IR pouvaient avoir besoin des deux ann\u00e9es pour rattraper un gap de performance scolaire li\u00e9 \u00e0 une moindre stimulation dans l\u2019enseignement secondaire. Ce choix pr\u00e9sente toutefois des \u00e9cueils : il y a les cas o\u00f9 exceptionnellement un \u00e9l\u00e8ve ne passe pas le dit concours (presque toujours il s\u2019agit d\u2019un \u00e9l\u00e8ve en queue de promo qui souhaite se concentrer sur des concours de niveau plus modeste). En fili\u00e8re scientifique, il y a aussi le probl\u00e8me de la constitution de trois fili\u00e8res de deuxi\u00e8me ann\u00e9e \u00e0 partir de deux fili\u00e8res de premi\u00e8re ann\u00e9e. On voudrait par exemple pouvoir comparer les r\u00e9sultats des anciens MPSI quelle que soit leur fili\u00e8re de deuxi\u00e8me ann\u00e9e, mais cela ne peut \u00eatre fait car il ne passent pas du tout les m\u00eames \u00e9preuves selon qu\u2019ils font leur deuxi\u00e8me ann\u00e9e en fili\u00e8re MP*\/MP (les trois quarts d\u2019entre eux) ou en PSI* (un quart d\u2019entre eux).<\/span><\/p>\n

    La deuxi\u00e8me solution est la seule v\u00e9ritablement fiable si l\u2019on veut mesurer la r\u00e9ussite aux concours. Pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment, nous avons choisi comme juge de paix l\u2019\u00e9crit du concours Commun Mines-Ponts pour les fili\u00e8res MP\/PSI\/PC, l\u2019\u00e9crit du concours HEC pour la fili\u00e8re EC, et l\u2019oral du concours Agro pour la fili\u00e8re BCPST. Pour les PT, les effectifs sont probablement trop faibles pour faire une \u00e9tude similaire, mais le choix le plus rationnel aurait probablement \u00e9t\u00e9 le concours de l\u2019ENSAM.<\/span><\/p>\n

    \u00c0<\/span> noter que si c\u2019\u00e9tait possible nous aurions pris les r\u00e9sultats syst\u00e9matiquement \u00e0 l\u2019issue de l\u2019oral (qui est une partie essentielle du concours), mais cela a le d\u00e9faut de consid\u00e9rer que tous les non-admissibles ont des r\u00e9sultats strictement \u00e9quivalents ! Nous avons pu conserv\u00e9 l\u2019oral pour les Agro-V\u00e9to car c\u2019est une fili\u00e8re o\u00f9 la non-admissibilit\u00e9 aux \u00e9coles d\u2019agronomie est rarissime.<\/span><\/p>\n

    Pour \u00e9valuer la performance relative des IR, on note pour chacun dans quel d\u00e9cile de la promo il se situe. On r\u00e9p\u00e8te l\u2019op\u00e9ration, ann\u00e9e apr\u00e8s ann\u00e9e, et on obtient pour chaque d\u00e9cile le nombre d\u2019IR qui s\u2019y est trouv\u00e9. Pour conclure \u00e0 une performance des IR au niveau de la performance moyenne des autres \u00e9l\u00e8ves de Ginette, on devrait observer un histogramme assez plat ainsi qu\u2019une position m\u00e9diane des IR voisine de 50%.<\/span><\/p>\n

    \u00c0<\/span> noter enfin que les redoublants sont compt\u00e9s deux fois pour des raisons d\u2019homog\u00e9n\u00e9it\u00e9. On pourrait aussi envisager un calcul ne prenant en compte que les r\u00e9sultats obtenus au premier passage du concours, mais il faudra alors \u00e9carter tous les redoublants du calcul, ce qui est un peu fastidieux et ne devrait pas conduire \u00e0 des r\u00e9sultats substantiellement diff\u00e9rents \u00e0 moins que le taux de redoublement des IR soit tr\u00e8s nettement diff\u00e9rent de celui des autres \u00e9l\u00e8ves (ce qu\u2019il ne semble pas \u00eatre).<\/span><\/p>\n

    Malgr\u00e9 tout, le probl\u00e8me fondamental pour r\u00e9aliser l\u2019\u00e9tude est l\u2019impossibilit\u00e9 de disposer de l\u2019identit\u00e9 pr\u00e9cise des IR<\/strong>. Dans le prochain \u00e9pisode, nous allons voir comment le contourner et obtenir une indication sur le niveau de r\u00e9ussite relative des IR.<\/span><\/p>\n

    Passer \u00e0 l’\u00e9pisode 3<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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Pour cela, le comptage et l\u2019identit\u00e9 des \u00e9coles int\u00e9gr\u00e9es n\u2019est pas un bon guide : en effet, l\u2019\u00e9cole int\u00e9gr\u00e9e est le r\u00e9sultat<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":3898,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"amp_status":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[84,129,88],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-3779","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-internes-de-la-reussite","8":"category-lycee","9":"category-resultat"},"yoast_head":"\nR\u00e9sultats scolaires des internes de la r\u00e9ussite, \u00e9pisode 2 : une m\u00e9thodologie rigoureuse - BJ-Investigations<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/index.php\/2021\/06\/30\/resultats-scolaires-des-internes-de-la-reussite-episode-2-une-methodologie-rigoureuse\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"fr_FR\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"R\u00e9sultats scolaires des internes de la r\u00e9ussite, \u00e9pisode 2 : une m\u00e9thodologie rigoureuse - BJ-Investigations\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"O\u00f9 comment contr\u00f4ler efficacement la r\u00e9ussite relative des Internes de la R\u00e9ussite par rapport au reste des \u00e9l\u00e8ves Il s\u2019agit de comparer les r\u00e9sultats des IR \u00e0 ceux des autres \u00e9l\u00e8ves de Ginette. 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