{"id":3773,"date":"2021-06-30T20:04:50","date_gmt":"2021-06-30T18:04:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/?p=3773"},"modified":"2021-07-15T17:30:34","modified_gmt":"2021-07-15T15:30:34","slug":"resultats-scolaires-des-internes-de-la-reussite-episode-1-limpasse-des-resultats-affiches-par-ginette-solidarite","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/index.php\/2021\/06\/30\/resultats-scolaires-des-internes-de-la-reussite-episode-1-limpasse-des-resultats-affiches-par-ginette-solidarite\/","title":{"rendered":"R\u00e9sultats scolaires des internes de la r\u00e9ussite, \u00e9pisode 1 : l\u2019impasse des r\u00e9sultats affich\u00e9s par Ginette Solidarit\u00e9"},"content":{"rendered":"

Pourquoi utiliser les \u00e9coles int\u00e9gr\u00e9es n’est pas le plus pertinent<\/em><\/h2>\n

P<\/span>our appr\u00e9cier les r\u00e9sultats aux concours des internes de la r\u00e9ussite, nous <\/span>avons \u00e9t\u00e9 c<\/span>onfront\u00e9s \u00e0 un premier probl\u00e8me : l\u2019anonymat de ces \u00e9l\u00e8ves. Leur liste nominative est tenue secr\u00e8te par la Direction de Ginette<\/strong>, et toutes les demandes <\/span>internes \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9cole <\/span>pour l\u2019\u00e9tudier et faire des analyses se sont sold\u00e9es par des non-r\u00e9ponses.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\"\"R\u00e9sultats des IR en 2017 (communication de Ginette Solidarit\u00e9 aux donateurs)<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n

<\/span>Nous avons commenc\u00e9 par examiner les r\u00e9sultats publi\u00e9s par la Ginette Solidarit\u00e9 \u00e0 la fois dans Servir, dans des communications aux donateurs, et sur le site de la Fondation Ginette. <\/span><\/p>\n

Un premier probl\u00e8me de ces communications e<\/span><\/span>st qu\u2019elle<\/span>s<\/span> pr\u00e9sente<\/span>nt<\/span> des erreurs et des oublis. Au moins une erreur en 2020 (un int\u00e9gr\u00e9 aux Ponts et Chauss\u00e9es a \u00e9t\u00e9 oubli\u00e9, remplac\u00e9 semble-t-il par une autre !), en 2018 aucun IR n\u2019a int\u00e9gr\u00e9 l\u2019ENSTA et il y a en revanche un d\u00e9part en 5\/2 \u00e0 l\u2019ext\u00e9rieur ; en 2017 il semble manquer environ 7 \u00e9l\u00e8ves dans le tableau de r\u00e9sultats.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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R\u00e9sultats des IR en 2018 (extrait du site de la Fondation Ginette)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

De plus, il est impossible d\u2019\u00e9valuer la qualit\u00e9 des r\u00e9sultats aux concours sans conna\u00eetre la fili\u00e8re d\u2019int\u00e9gration, qui n\u2019est jamais communiqu\u00e9e par la Fondation. Par exemple, l\u2019ENSAM est, pour les \u00e9l\u00e8ves de fili\u00e8re MP, une \u00e9cole int\u00e9gr\u00e9e en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral par des \u00e9l\u00e8ves du dernier quintile de la promotion, alors qu\u2019en fili\u00e8re PT c\u2019est une \u00e9cole <\/span>que l\u2019<\/span>on int\u00e8gre d\u00e8s le deuxi\u00e8me quintile. En fili\u00e8re MP, l\u2019ENS Paris-Saclay est quasi-inaccessible pour un \u00e9l\u00e8ve hors de la premi\u00e8re moiti\u00e9 d\u2019une promotion, alors qu\u2019en fili\u00e8re PC des \u00e9l\u00e8ves y int\u00e8grent r\u00e9guli\u00e8rement dans le haut du dernier quintile. Bref, <\/span>l<\/span>es r\u00e9sultats aux concours ne sont interpr\u00e9tables, <\/span>pour les comparer aux r\u00e9sultats des autres \u00e9l\u00e8ves de Ginette,<\/span> que <\/span>fili\u00e8re par fili\u00e8re<\/i><\/span>.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Les r\u00e9sultats (incomplets) des internes de la r\u00e9ussite 2020. Saurez-vous trouver les \u00e9coles ou les d\u00e9parts en 5\/2 \u00e0 l’ext\u00e9rieur manquants ?<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

L<\/span>es r\u00e9sultats pr\u00e9sent\u00e9s par la Fondation <\/span>peuvent aussi \u00eatre trop vagues<\/span>. En 2017 ainsi, on apprend que <\/span>3<\/span> \u00e9l\u00e8ves ont int\u00e9gr\u00e9 \u201c<\/span>l\u2019<\/span>Agro\u201d. <\/span>S\u2019agit-il de l\u2019Agro Paris ou de l\u2019Agro Rennes (int\u00e9gr\u00e9e par une boursi\u00e8re, peut-\u00eatre pas interne de la r\u00e9ussite, cette ann\u00e9e-l\u00e0) ?<\/span> Cette fa\u00e7on d\u2019amalgamer les \u00e9coles ne peut pas permettre une lecture fine des r\u00e9sultats.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Enfin, toujours en 2017 on a aussi des amalgames probl\u00e9matiques entre les <\/span>\u00c9<\/span><\/span>coles Normales Sup\u00e9rieures. Une int\u00e9gration \u00e0 l\u2019ENS Cachan en PT est banale (en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral, les deux tiers de la promotion ont des r\u00e9sultats leur permettant une telle int\u00e9gration), une int\u00e9gration \u00e0 l\u2019ENS Ulm en MP est exceptionnelle (5 ou 6 \u00e9l\u00e8ves sur une promo de 140 sont en mesure d\u2019int\u00e9grer \u00e0 un tel niveau).<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Conclusion :<\/b><\/span> les r\u00e9sultats publi\u00e9s par la Fondation sont fondamentalement inexploitables, d\u2019autant plus qu\u2019ils ne couvrent que trois ann\u00e9es. Dans les \u00e9pisodes suivants, nous allons examiner une m\u00e9thode pour approcher les r\u00e9sultats des internes de la r\u00e9ussite, fili\u00e8re par fili\u00e8re.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Passer \u00e0 l’\u00e9pisode 2<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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Leur liste nominative est tenue secr\u00e8te par la Direction de Ginette, et toutes les demandes internes \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9cole pour l\u2019\u00e9tudier et<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":3899,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"amp_status":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[84,129,88],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-3773","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-internes-de-la-reussite","8":"category-lycee","9":"category-resultat"},"yoast_head":"\nR\u00e9sultats scolaires des internes de la r\u00e9ussite, \u00e9pisode 1 : l\u2019impasse des r\u00e9sultats affich\u00e9s par Ginette Solidarit\u00e9 - BJ-Investigations<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/bj-investigations.info\/index.php\/2021\/06\/30\/resultats-scolaires-des-internes-de-la-reussite-episode-1-limpasse-des-resultats-affiches-par-ginette-solidarite\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"fr_FR\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"R\u00e9sultats scolaires des internes de la r\u00e9ussite, \u00e9pisode 1 : l\u2019impasse des r\u00e9sultats affich\u00e9s par Ginette Solidarit\u00e9 - BJ-Investigations\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Pourquoi utiliser les \u00e9coles int\u00e9gr\u00e9es n’est pas le plus pertinent Pour appr\u00e9cier les r\u00e9sultats aux concours des internes de la r\u00e9ussite, nous avons \u00e9t\u00e9 confront\u00e9s \u00e0 un premier probl\u00e8me : l\u2019anonymat de ces \u00e9l\u00e8ves. 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